Ben Greenfield Life

Anti-Aging Secrets Of The World's Longest-Lived Woman, The Top Longevity "Drugs", Fat Loss & Muscle Gain Tips & Much More! Q&A 494

Ben Greenfield Life with Ben Greenfield 2014-06-07

Summary

Ben Greenfield covers anti-aging secrets of the world's longest-lived woman, the top longevity "drugs", fat loss & muscle gain tips & much more!. Key topics include multiple longevity pathways exist; caloric restriction mimetics; exercise is foundational.

Key Points

  • Multiple longevity pathways exist
  • Caloric restriction mimetics
  • Exercise is foundational
  • Sleep and stress management key
  • Strategic supplementation
  • Testing guides interventions

Key Moments

Omega 3

Omega 3: Epa

I think a lot of the top athletes know to do this, but you journal what you're doing. What does your lab work look like?

"And I came out of it. But that tranceeck attack, here I was on blood pressure medications, and I thought the doctors had me covered and protected. And I was, you know, doing what they told me to do, reduce stress, don't use salt, avoid sugar. I was doing all that. But see, I didn't realize the high protein, high fat foods were far more damaging and most likely the cause of my high blood pressure. But when I had that small stroke, it caused me to reevaluate. So I went back to the university. I started training and educating because I was in physical therapy. And here I was working with stroke victims. I was terrified. I thought I better do something quick. And I read the book Live Longer Now by Nathan Pritikin. And he had a whole section on high blood pressure. And it answered all the things that the medical profession had never told me was going on. And I followed what he taught, and within six months, I lost 50 pounds, got in great shape, and I met him in Pasadena speaking at a conference. And he invited me to speak and work at the Pritikin Longevity Center, which I became director of. Wow. Wow. So since that time, I would imagine that you've developed basically like a day-to-day protocol based off of all this research that you've done on how to live as long as possible. You know, every endocrinological convention I go to, every bioidentical hormone research that I've reviewed, stem cells, I've looked through herbs, nutraceuticals, various lifestyles around the world. And about five years ago, after I broke the world strength endurance record and lifted 50,564 pounds in one hour, and then in April of 2011, people may not be aware of this, but Guinness doesn't acknowledge a curl press. So they sent me a letter and said, well, we have a world record for curls. And I said, curls? I said, what's the weight? And they sent me a letter, said it was 50 pounds nonstop. And I looked it up. Stuart Burrell had done 550 curls in one hour with 50 pounds from the UK. So I had been training my curl to press. And I thought to myself, Ben, you know, a curl to press, I do a lot of curls, right? In my training. So I brought, I followed the regulations that Guinness follows. I had a camera crew that videotaped me continuous. I had three judges and I went out to my favorite place to work out at Inspiration Point in, right in Corona Del Mar near Newport Beach. Right. I went out to my favorite place to work out at Inspiration Point right in Corona Del Mar near Newport Beach. And I pulled up the weights and I ripped through. Within 30 minutes, I had done 600 curls with 50 pounds and by an hour, 1,038 curls, which was a new world record. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. And so having done that, I started thinking, why am I breaking strength endurance records? You know, what's the risk of injury? What could happen as I get older if I keep trying to break these world records, right? Especially since I competed in March of this year with 45 pound dumbbells in each hand and the competition couldn't even come close to over a hundred lifts I did. And in the 35-pound category, I did 285 lifts and no one could come close to it. And I thought, well, I'm so far ahead of even the world-class athletes. Even with 45-pound dumbbells, the following week, I did 340 continuous lifts nonstop. And I don't know if you've ever curled and pressed 45-pound dumbbells, but... I've got a couple out in my garage. Yeah, it's a good little lift. Most strong guys, after they get up to about 50 curl and presses, start to shake. I mean, it's heavy. So, you know, I thought about it, and Ben, I thought, you know, what if I decided to break the world record for healthy aging? Because I didn't want to end up 124 years old and break the world record, but be in a wheelchair and be incoherent, right? I thought, why not add a caveat? I want to be the healthiest, oldest man in history. So as I continued to study about these super centurions, what shocked me, Dr. Leaf discovered when he went out to visit the super centurions in places like Hunza of Pakistan, the Vilakamas of Ecuador. Would these be what you would call the blue zones? They refer to – they say that they eat a lot of – get a lot of trace minerals off the mountains. and they don't know why, you know. But one thing they have in common, they eat a very unprocessed, low-fat, whole foods diet. And they're very active. But here's the truth. None of them reached 120 and above. What they did was they wanted to avoid getting inducted into the war. So the fathers passed on their birth certificates to their son at age 60. So their son at birth was 60 years old. And then you add their lifespan to 60, 70. And they reached what looked to be 110, 120, 130. And they were not. Gotcha. So the reality is these people who are supposedly the longest lived people in the world only probably peak out at about 80, 85. And the longest lived people are in Okinawa. But there's one group that exceeded the Okinawans. And I want to tell you about that. Okinawa, the average lifespan is 91.5. But in a part of Massachusetts, where the Koreans have migrated to, where they have access to anti-aging doctors and bioidentical hormones, their average lifespan exceeds the Okinawans, making them the longest-lived people in the world. And they're eating a traditional diet centered around vegetables and rice and sea vegetables, and they're using natural bioidentical hormones. They are breaking all the records. And that's what gives me confidence that knowing biochemistry and hormones, that along with the power of the mind and lifestyle and clearing my body of toxins, I have a five-point plan that's going to get me to the world record of aging. When you say they're using bioidentical hormones, how are those people doing that? Are they working with compounded hormone replacement therapists or pharmacists? What exactly are they doing? Precisely. They go to an anti-aging doctor trained at the worldhealth.net and I lecture at these conferences on a regular basis but I can tell you that the doctors are trained to use hormones that are synthesized from wild yam extract. They're compounded to be identical to what is already in your body, whether male, male hormones, female, female hormones. And we then are able to measure these people, find out what their baseline, how deficient they are at age 60, 70, or 80. And by the way, Ben, I recommend people at age 20 or 25 to get their hormone levels checked because you want to know about what was perfect for you at your optimum levels. Yeah, that's a really good point. And that like I personally do blood testing about four times a year because of that, you know, I want to keep my finger on the pulse of this as well as some of the other stuff that you've hinted at, you know, like full body inflammation and some of the things that diet could be causing, you know, depending on how your body is dealing with with your specific diet. So you said that you've got five points in your protocol. And, you know, I'm curious if maybe you could kind of walk us through what a typical day looks like for you and how those five points are kind of fleshing themselves out in the way that you're living your life. Yeah, it's interesting, but I'm creating this massive chart. and one of them is looking at diseases, because obviously if you die of a heart attack or a stroke, the game's over. You're no longer part of the world record for aging, right? And then I analyze various types of diets, Atkins, South Beach, Paleo, Vegetarian, Vegan, American Heart Association, Cancer Society, Diabetic Association. I analyze all these diets that come and go or the ones that have been established by well-known entities and agencies. And then I look at nutraceuticals and the phytonutrients. So I really, when I'm talking about dietary therapy and nutrition, I get into omegas, the complexity of proteins, the sugars, the nutrition of the biology of the body, what people tend to be allergic to, like dairy whey. Then I look at calorie needs, Quashacor and Mashamor. A lot of these calorie restriction programs, the animals weren't very happy. They sit at the bottom of the cage because they don't have enough calories to even function or have sex. So I don't want to go on a calorie restriction diet because that doesn't make sense. But you want a nutrient-rich, dense program. So I look at then, and answer your question, I put together quality of life, spirituality, how you function sexually, which is a big part of quality of life, and particularly for men, of course. And when a woman's with a man that knows what he's doing, then the women just love it as well. But most women are disappointed with the sex play of men as we know it. So I look at these things, Ben, and what I've done is then I look at the quality of sleep and I look at the power of the mind. So I look at the five points and I put this whole thing together that I personally follow and do a journal. I think a lot of the top athletes know to do this, but you journal what you're doing. What does your lab work look like? What is your body weight? What's your body fat level? What's your hormone levels? You know, what's your state of mind? What's your relationship status? You know, how are you feeling about your job and your career? These are the things that I look at in my own lifestyle and what I teach my clients to do as well. Got it. Interesting. So what's a typical breakfast, lunch, dinner look like for you? If there were such a thing as typical for me, breakfast is an amazing meal because I routinely will take, like this morning, I have a massive salad. When I say massive, it's bigger than the serving bowl that's in front of the whole family. And it's got all the way from artichoke hearts that are not packed in oil, but packed in water. It's got jicama. It's got almost every kind of green imaginable kale, Swiss chard, arugula. It's got some little peppercorns and chilies because you get a lot of vitamin A and C from the chilies. It's got tomatoes, a little avocado. I mean, it's just this amazing salad with a fat-free dressing. I either use a version that we recommend, Warden's Farm or Galileo's, which I look for things with less than three grams of fat per serving, zero, one, two, or three. I got to ask you this because I know folks are going to comment on this. Are you concerned at all about lack of hormone precursors, steroid precursors, cell membrane integrity, stuff like that when it comes to cutting too much fat out of the diet or going too low fat when it comes to healthy fats? Well, I'm glad you bring it up because I studied omega-3, 6, and 9. What people will tell you is you get your DHA and you get your certain essential fatty acids from fish oil, right? Everyone wants to point to fish oil. But I have a question for you, Ben. Where do you think the omegas come in the fish because fish do not naturally have omega 3, 6, and 9? Where do you think fish gets its fish oil derivative to create the optimum 3, 6, 9? Any idea Is it from algal sources? Absolutely. So I recommend that people get their algal sources, whether it be chlorella, spirulina, and I even use a supplement. And about the most I allow is a little teaspoon, you know, that my five-year-old uses on up to my 35-year-old. As you know, I have five children, if I didn't mention that earlier, four boys and a girl. And for myself and my kids, at various stages, especially for the five-year-old with brain development, I make sure he gets that little bit of a teaspoon. But see, everyone goes and uses olive oil and coconut oil, and they cook it. Well, the crazy thing is you're cooking the essential fatty acids and altering its chemical composition. Some people say, well, cooking it liberates certain nutrients that you need. That's a bunch of wash. You know, I mean, oils, when they're cooked, they're destroyed. The moment they're taken out of olives, the moment the oil is taken out of coconut, the moment it's taken out of any nut or seed, you've destroyed the composition of the oil. Now, there are some cold press processing. There are some finesse ways to get it out of the algae. And so that's why I do use that one. And you've heard of Udo's oil. I mean, he talks about flaxseed and Borge and the 369 omegas. And I'm very sensible. What people don't realize is a high fat diet can cause a fat deficiency. How do you mean? because they're taking the wrong compositions of six or nine and high-fat diet can cause a fat deficiency. How do you mean? Because they're taking the wrong compositions of six or nine, and they're not getting enough of the threes. And omega-3s are hard to get as a vegetarian or even as an animal eater. You have to know what you're doing, and that's where the algaes come in and in the right mix of oil composition. And the best way to absorb oil, believe it or not, Dr. Press proved this. He put people on a nutritional IV that only had glucose. And in 30 days, every one of the persons started to develop essential fatty acid deficiencies. Their skin got dry. They developed eczema, some signs of fatty acid deficiency, right? So guess how he replaced their fat? He didn't give him by mouth. He didn't infuse it. He didn't give him by supplement. He rubbed the oil on their skin. And Dr. Press proved that only 0.01% was enough to completely relieve an essential fatty acid deficiency. Now, I'm not about just relieving deficiencies. So in our diet, when you select whole natural foods, we don't discourage the use of avocados, olives, coconuts, soaked nuts, and seeds. Those are whole super fats. They have the fiber present. So as you consume this food, it makes logical sense your body can absorb the essential fatty acids at the right rate. The confusion is people say, oh, but wait a minute, extra light virgin olive oil. Number one, extra light, light is referring to the color of the oil. If you read the spelling, they're fraudulently making you think it's light in calories. It's the highest source of calories on the planet. If you use a quarter cup of olive oil, as some of these people do in their recipes, you're setting yourself up for freaking disaster. I mean that oil is so concentrated. It's not that it's a monounsaturate, polyunsaturate, or any type of a composition chemically. It's that it's mechanically sticky. When oils are separated out of its natural fiber base of nuts, seeds, avocado, olive, that oil rolls right into the bloodstream undigested. It coats the blood cells, suppresses oxygen to the capillary beds, the leading cause of high blood pressure, one of the leading causes of breast cancer, one of the highest known causes of several different diseases. And this has been well documented. So, you know, Ben, I'm sensible. I want about 15 to 45 grams of dietary fat a day from whole natural superfoods. And then I'll chase it with a little of the algae oil. And so I'm getting far more essential fatty acids than almost 90% of people. Yeah. It's just so interesting. Like you're, you're speaking my language. We actually, when, when our kids were little, we'd break open fish oil capsules that my wife and I take and actually rub them into their feet. Um, and, and now what I do is I, I use some marine phytoplankton and chlorella and, um, then I, I have it's this this olive oil from from europe that's extremely cloudy and dense and has all of these active components and it's all all cold processed but like the really high quality olive oil and um you know then a lot of the healthy vegetable based fats that you talk about but but never heated, never oxidized. So it's something that I think a lot of people make the mistake of doing is they might hear that fats are necessary for steroids and hormones and stuff like that. And then they go out and screw themselves by using all the wrong sources. Yeah, you're right on. I would just add a caveat. One of the oldest men on the planet right now in Arizona is 111 years old. And this gentleman rubs olive oil on his skin. He doesn't consume the oil. He knows. That's so funny. That's what I do. I have a bottle of olive oil in my bathroom and use it on my skin. But he doesn't consume it at all, huh? Rarely. I mean, if he does, it's very small amounts and unprocessed, unheated, the whole thing. So I rub olive oil. It's kind of strange. Either olive oil or I use various exotic oils on my feet because, look, your feet, I mean, they get a little dry and cracked and you're running and all these different things. And I wear, you know, barefoot shoes, not just Vibram. I use Body Glide, which gets me even lower to the ground and my feet can grip the ground. So, you know, my feet are going and doing a lot of work. They're not just static inside a shoe and locked in. What are they called? Body Glide? Body Glide, yeah. The same ones you can go skin diving with or go out on the rocks in the ocean. The divers use them and they're a little hard to find but they're only about $20 whereas Vibram is about $74. They're incredible. I love the shoes. They're very comfortable. Nice. So your feet is a good absorption for oils. If you rub in a little garlic oil in there, you're going to taste garlic at the tip of your tongue. These oils absorb and they go into the deep tissues, which is where it's needed. And you can just rub it on your face in different areas where you're getting little wrinkles maybe showing up. Even rub a little melatonin cream into the skin and it's the most powerful antioxidant for wrinkles. It's been shown to actually reverse wrinkles in many cases using melatonin cream, believe it or not. Melatonin cream, that's fascinating. Wow. So many sedgeways and all we did was start to talk about your breakfast. Let's throw one more in there before we talk about your exercise protocol. What's like a typical dinner look like for you? Dinner is usually an Asian type array. I think the Asian diet is far superior to the Mediterranean diet. I know there's a lot of talk about, you know, olive oil and the longevity, but the Italians are sixth in the world in longevity. The Chinese, certain parts of China and Okinawa, as I mentioned, Japan and Japan are number one, two and three besides the new Korean group out in Maryland. So in Boston area, that is. So what I'm saying is that you really got to look at who is truly by peer review journals living longer, not just these super fake centurions that don't live as long as we were led to believe."

Big 6 Lymphatic: Protocol

I choose only organic meats. I choose proteins specifically that are rich in glycine as well as methionine.

"What an amazing culture, Japanese. I mean, they are so, so ahead of us in technology and in health and nutrition. And, you know, they eat a lot of sea vegetables. They eat more rice than the Okinawan. So I'm not a big fan of rice. I think brown rice is okay, but I'm a bigger fan of the tubers. The sweet potatoes eaten by the New Guinea natives, they also are free of diabetes, they have a long life, except for they have issues of famine when certain times the crops don't grow and that can kill a 90 or 100 year old and unfortunately that's the reality of their culture. My dinner is a lot of times Asian vegetables that are lightly if if at all, cooked. I use oil-free preparation methods. I go to a lot of Asian pho restaurants, Vietnamese. They have a really low rate of breast cancer. By the way, the Vietnamese have a dramatically lower rate of breast cancer than the Italians. Italians, because they use olive oil, have a very high rate of breast cancer. Not as high as we do in the U.S. because we eat all kinds of fats and meats and everything, but the Italians are definitely at far greater risk than the Vietnamese and the Thai people. So Thailand, you know, they eat a very tasty diet. I love Thai food. I eat out and eat Thai food a lot. Or at home, I just prepare multiple whole food dishes, some split peas cooked in my crock pot with, you know, multiple vegetables and, and big, big salads and Swiss chard. And, and, you know, I just, I have fruit for dessert. So it's all whole food. That sounds fantastic. Now, you know, I'm curious, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I'm curious if you've ever looked into what Weston Price has studied in terms of some of the longest living populations on the planet, as far as their consumption of things like pork fat and organ meats and some of these things that seem to contrast some of the things that you're talking about as far as fat is concerned. Have you looked into that at all, or do you have an opinion on Dr. Weston Price and some of the stuff that he's done? Yeah, when I was doing my PhD thesis and research, I was doing a study on 693 people at a Tony Robbins event and rechecking them in six-month intervals, which I did the most massive human study ever done with microscopy and lipids and follow-up. I mean, there's been studies where they've done more lipid studies, but we did more where we visualized, helped the patients to see under the microscope what their blood looked like when it was all clumped, filled with fat from raw food, like Weston Price recommends eating raw meat. Raw meat can be high in fat. And I saw recently an all-raw foodist, and following Western Price raw meat, raw eggs, the whole thing. And when I looked at their blood, they had so many microbes and bacteria and fat in their blood. And the guy felt awful. And I say, here's why. Look at your blood. It's awful. And blood doesn't lie. I got to tell you, Ben, you know, that's, that's my separator of the truth from the lie. And I, I've been fortunate for 36 years to look at tens of thousands of people's blood based on how they exercise, how they eat, what hormones they take, you know, what lifestyle they follow. And I'm just telling you, I get one in a thousand people where I just I bow down to them and I say, wow, you're doing it all right. You're exercising intensely. You breathe heavily continuous during your exercise for at least an hour. You're eating all whole raw foods. You're not adding oils. You're not eating meats. You're in the positive state of mind. I mean, just amazing stuff. And their blood looks immaculate. I mean, it just looks beautiful. No free radical damage, no signs of cancer, no inflammation. I mean, they just look perfect. And their body looks perfect. I mean, these people are on the planet. And I have the proof that that's the model we all need to follow. I mean, Bob Delmatique was one of my mentors in, you know, 84. And I became his coach. But unfortunately, he was a throwback from the meat-eating people. And, you know, they try to eat processed, you know, raw food and stuff, but meat is meat, and it's got its toxins, and it's got its high fat content, and even protein. If you read the China study, T. Colin Campbell, and he talks about high protein itself is a risk for cancer, particularly liver cancer. Jack Lane was a great, 97, 95 that is, I believe he nearly reached 97. I have a date back at my home office, so I don't have that date in front of me. But Jack, you know, he took 85 supplements, one for every year he was when I videotaped and met him when he was 85. And when he reached his 90s, he just, you know, continued to use whole supplements and exercise and the power of the mind. He never ate food out of a container, never out of a can. And Jack, he's a good model, but Jack, he had some adrenal weaknesses and he ended up having pneumonia. And that's what he died from because no one taught him about adrenal function and how to support the adrenals. I use Adrenal DMG, which is an amazing product, rich in adrenal cortex, dimethylglycine. So I'll deviate from a vegan diet because I know that some things you've got to get glandulars and you've got to get those micronutrients for thyroid, T3, T4. You've got to take certain herbs and supplements and combinations that augment. And wherever I can, I go completely plant-based. But because it's not an ethical vegetarian, I'm following a program for breaking the world record of aging. Then when you read Kershwal and these guys at Google talking about some of these amazing nutrients, but it really gets down to I'll measure my telomeres against theirs in 10 years and we'll see who's's really right. I mean the story is going to come out. When I reach and break the world record for aging, hopefully you're around to see me do it. Yeah, I got to get on this telomere testing bandwagon as well. My whole take on the meat and the fat thing is I choose all whole pure unprocessed oils. I choose only organic meats. I choose proteins specifically that are rich in glycine as well as methionine. So most of my proteins are coming from like organ meats and things of that nature rather than just like the nasty red meat that our ancestors would have traditionally fed to the dogs. And that's the way that I roll. And it sounds like what I'm doing is a little bit different than what you're doing. And so I'm going to have to do some of this telomere testing myself because I'm happy with my blood panel, but it sounds like I need to do the telomeres as well. I'm curious about your exercise protocol. You obviously have a huge amount of strength endurance, and you've kind of hinted here a second ago about the type of exercise protocol that you're seeing folks do that you really respect. What do you think is kind of the best type of protocol in terms of anti-aging for exercise as far as the research that you've done? You know, I've studied interval training. I've studied ultra marathons. I've looked at, you know, just almost every imaginable type of exercise. And of course, I think, you know, most of us into fitness realize that we do need to do a variety of types of training. But I isolate it down in a different way when I talk about fitness and training. I look at it from this standpoint. Does the exercise stimulate your lymphatics? And that's a big question because I incorporate a lot of trampling work while I'm lifting weights. That's so funny. That was the first thing I thought of when you said lymphatics because my dad does that. He's got a mini trampling and I asked him why he uses it and that was the first thing that he talked about was lymph flow. You know, the lymph is probably the most amazing. I mean, beyond the bloodstream, it accounts for 36% of the entire fluid volume. So, it far exceeds anything that we can imagine with the bloodstream circulatory system. So, you always see these images, you know, and they're showing someone's skeleton and you see the bones and then you see the heart and the blood vessels coming off and so clavian vein and the blood vessels going to the brain and so forth. But they never show the lymphatics. The lymphatics are far more extensive, far more important. And remember, for every toxin that the body liberates during metabolism, every time you take a breath, your lymphatics have to work overtime to clear out all these toxins and chemicals. And so that's why I've looked under a microscope. I've looked at and understand the white blood cells, the immune system, how these nutrients function. And I've discovered that by wind sprints, Ben, running fast, running hard, you increase your efficiency of your lymphatic system tenfold, ten times more efficient in clearing toxins and chemicals. Have you ever noticed when you're exercising consistently, and I mean hard and consistent, how easy it is for the bowels to function, more efficient urinary tract extraction. So your body, your bowel habits increase dramatically because you're getting rid of more toxins when you exercise intensely. Yeah, yeah. I especially like the concept of this type of limp activation in the morning. So I don't have a mini trampoline, but what I do in the morning is I do about 200 jumping jacks just to bounce up and down for a while. And then I actually have an inversion table and I go out to my garage and I hang from this inversion table. And I do all of that before I go in and kind of do my morning thing in the bathroom. And it helps tremendously as far as just like cleaning you out almost right away. It's pretty amazing. It's amazing. Hey, I'll add to that. Let me give you an exercise that I created. I don't know of anyone that does this. I do three to 500 jump pull-ups in the morning. And what I do is I reach up to a high bar and I vary my grip on the pull-ups to do chin-ups, which I'm doing like a curl reverse grip so that I'm training the biceps. But then I'll do a little bit of a wider grip at times. But at the bottom of my pull-up, I have a trampoline, which is a jump mate. And it basically has these bungee cords. So when I touch the bottom, I get a little kip. And so instead of doing 30 or 40 pull-ups, I'm doing 300 to 500 pull-ups. And every time I hit that trampoline, zero to three G4s, I'm stimulating my lymphatics. And I can rip off three to 500 pull-ups in less than 15 minutes. And I'm telling you, it's a cardio workout. It's a lymphatic system training. And it stretches out my spine, like you mentioned, inversion table. It stretches out my entire body and i just feel wonderful because i mix it in with a lot of hammer curl presses on the trampoline so i'm either lifting or i'm pulling right that's all exercises are they're either squats lifting pulling eccentric concentric contractions and so you're either doing a lengthening movement eccentric or contract, contraction or concentric or shortening contraction. Everything is all based on that basic primary movement. And then how intense you do it. I do a series of pyramiding. I start heavy because you're fresh, you're strong. I don't worry about warmups because I do really good form and I move the weight slowly through the motion. I start heavy and then pyramid down as I get tired. And then when I get to the bottom of my pyramid where I'm doing maybe 100, 200 lifts, I pyramid back up so I have mental toughness and I end with the highest weight because you have muscle memory and you'll remember the last weight you moved."

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