The Just A Mom Podcast

Episode 99: Cindy Elkins and Dr. Koo Part 2

The Just A Mom Podcast with Cindy Elkins, Dr. Martha Koo 2025-03-04

Summary

A mother shares her daughter Chase's journey through accelerated TMS treatment for severe, long-standing depression, while Dr. Martha Koo provides clinical context. The episode follows Chase from her initial five-day accelerated protocol in early 2022 through additional treatment sessions and tapering. Dr. Koo confirms that accelerated TMS is beyond clinical trial stage and is a bona fide efficacious treatment, with many patients approaching remission by day three. She discusses the SAINT protocol results, the challenge of insurance coverage, and why TMS combined with staying on a tolerated medication produces the best long-term outcomes. The episode offers a compelling parent perspective on watching a child recover from treatment-resistant depression.

Key Points

  • Chase underwent a five-day accelerated TMS protocol in early 2022 for severe, long-standing depression
  • Dr. Koo confirms accelerated TMS is a bona fide efficacious treatment beyond clinical trial stage
  • Many patients approach remission by day three of the SAINT protocol
  • Regular TMS shows improvement by end of second week, while accelerated protocol works in days
  • Young patients tend to respond particularly well to TMS treatment
  • The recommendation is to stay on a tolerated medication alongside TMS for best long-term results
  • Insurance covers standard TMS but not yet the accelerated protocol, though coverage is trending that direction
  • TMS is preferable to medications alone since 70% of patients do not improve with their first medication trial

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