DarkHorse Podcast

Think Fast: The 252nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

DarkHorse Podcast 2024-11-20

Summary

Evolutionary biologists Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying reveal that they completed a seven-day dry fast, consuming no food or water for an entire week. They recorded their previous podcast while more than three days into the fast, which explained the giggles and unprofessional moments from that episode. The couple approaches dry fasting from a scientific and evolutionary perspective, arguing that humans have evolved elegant mechanisms for handling periods without food and water, and that ancestors who dealt with such austerity more efficiently would have outcompeted those who did not. Bret and Heather share detailed observations from their experience: hunger disappeared around day five, they continued urinating throughout (indicating metabolic water production), dry mouth was the most persistent discomfort rather than true thirst, and day five was the hardest to push through. They discuss the broader implications for metabolic health, noting that dry fasting may address indicators of diabetes, cancer, dementia, and metabolic syndrome. The episode also covers seed oils, the evolutionary logic behind cultivated vs wild plant toxicity, and their view that the conventional wisdom about dying after three days without water is dangerously wrong. They emphasize this is a personal report, not medical advice, and recommend starting with intermittent dry fasting before attempting extended protocols.

Key Points

  • Bret and Heather completed a seven-day dry fast with no food or water, disproving the common belief that three days without water is fatal
  • The body produces metabolic water during dry fasting, evidenced by continued urination throughout the seven days
  • Hunger disappeared around day five, shifting cravings from solid food to exclusively liquids and water
  • Dry mouth and reduced cognitive sharpness were the main discomforts, not deep bodily thirst
  • From an evolutionary perspective, humans have evolved elegant mechanisms for handling extended periods without food and water
  • The experience was profoundly bonding; having a partner was critical for pushing through the hardest days
  • Weight loss during dry fasting includes both water weight (which returns) and fat cell destruction (which may be permanent)
  • They recommend intermittent dry fasting as an accessible starting point, noting that everyone already dry fasts while sleeping

Key Moments

Dry Fasting

Revealing the seven-day dry fast on air

Bret reveals that he and Heather were more than halfway through a seven-day dry fast during their previous podcast, disproving the common belief that three days without water is fatal.

"You wouldn't want to drown with the giggles, right? So the sudden introduction of water into the environment causes the body to kind of sober up and i didn't have water on the table you didn't have water on the table and if there had been water on the table i couldn't have reached for it so yeah because so um maybe before and i will i'll just keep on leaving people hanging here um you know how um if you don't drink for three days you die yes like everyone's heard this yeah this is one of the things like everyone's heard right you don't drink for three days you die yes like everyone's heard this yeah this is one of the things like everyone's heard right you don't drink any water for three days that's one of the thing the experts are right about yeah totally is well at the point that we did our podcast last week we were a little more than halfway through a seven day dry fast a dry fast fast being a fast where you ingest nothing, no food, no water, no nothing."
Dry Fasting

Evolutionary logic for why dry fasting works

Bret applies evolutionary biology to explain why humans have elegant mechanisms for handling food and water deprivation, arguing that ancestors who coped with austerity more efficiently outcompeted those who did not.

"And how much is the process of healing actually impeded by the fact that your gut is damaged what is the process of healing and how much is the process of healing actually impeded by the fact that your gut is functioning in other words if you had an airplane right you can do a lot of maintenance on an airplane when it's on the ground in the hangar that you can't do in flight there's some things you can do in flight but but the point is your gut if you don't have any such you know and this is even an argument for why you have these intermittent or somewhat extended fasts in many of these traditions. It may be that there's a kind of healing that is regularly necessary that you just simply can't access with nightly sleep. You have to shut your gut down for a longer period of time. And one of these things that you, I think, can be certain is true. A lot of this is speculative. But one of the things you can be certain is true based on the way your gut comes back online when you do start the refeeding process is that you have effectively shut the whole thing down in a way that is not part of a modern life. And that shutdown process presumably allows a kind of repair that in many of us is probably highly necessary, but never happens because of the number of toxins in our diet. Just simple fact of having to process food constantly. And so anyway, I think that's a potentially very important source of some of the benefits that do seem to come from dry fasting. Yeah."
Dry Fasting

Metabolic water production - the body makes its own water

Bret and Heather discuss how they continued urinating throughout the seven-day fast, proving the body produces metabolic water, and how their experience of dry mouth was distinct from true deep-body thirst.

"One of the things that's really, truly fascinating is that you don't stop peeing, which is one of the indications. This is not in fact a death defying stunt. This is actually something where your body is creating metabolic water because where the hell else would it be coming from."
Dry Fasting

Dry fasting as a forgotten tool for metabolic health

Bret argues that intermittent dry fasting is something everyone already does while sleeping, and extending it deliberately could resolve health issues that people assume are not fixable.

"Intermittent dry fasting is definitely a thing that everyone is doing already. If you were at all sleeping through the night that you could be doing more of, and that will almost certainly bring to you some health benefits and resolve some things that you might think are actually not resolvable."
Dry Fasting

Survival knowledge - you can go a week without water

Heather argues that the false belief about dying after three days without water is not just wrong but dangerous, because in a disaster scenario it could cause tragic errors in planning.

"I think it's even dangerous that we harbor within us this belief that we all think came from somewhere that three days is the limit and you'll die if you don't have water for three days. Imagine for a second that we face a disaster in which supply chains are broken, you're trapped somewhere you can't get out. Even just harboring that wrong idea in your head can cause you to make tragic errors in your planning."

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